The totally annoying, often wonderful lack of control you have in the social web

I’m reading Dave Evans new book, Social Media Marketing in an Hour a Day.  It’s excellent.  Even though I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable in social media, and even do trainings on the topic, there is so much I’m learning.  I highly recommend it, for everyone from beginners to intermediate social media folks.  I also recommend Allison Fine’s book (“Momentum”) if you want more of the background on the social web.

Here’s a key point Dave makes far more eloquently than I ever have:

“You’ve got to give up control in order to gain a presence in the conversations that matter.”

What he means is, you can’t control the conversation online.  And that conversation REALLY matters.  To be a part of it, you have to cede control and listen, then participate.  And you have to do so honestly.  Because disclosing who you are is key to building trust.

I say this all the time, less succinctly, but I’ll admit this is easier said than done.  When you experience this lack of control, it is not fun or easy.  It’s often irritating.  But you have to do as he says, and over time, you’ll appreciate the experience and its value.

I’ll give you a personal example.  A few days ago, you may have read my post, The Perils of the Pre-Ask.  My point was as a marketer, you should always ask directly for something.  You should not just talk about yourself or have “awareness” as your goal—you should always be focused on getting someone to act in some way. 

It got picked up in a few places.  Peter Panepento of the Chronicle of Philanthropy’s Prospecting Blog interpreted my post this way: that you should always ask people for money.  Then a bunch of people understandably assumed this is what I was saying and that I don’t believe in cultivating relationships or asking for something other than money.  This killed me, since I’m constantly telling folks NOT to treat donors like ATM machines.  It was painful.  It was annoying.  I wanted to yell at Peter for starting the whole thing (sorry Peter, I’m your fan, but I’m just being honest and holding myself up as a case study.)  But I didn’t.  Because that would be wrong.  He was taking my premise, riffing on it and generating a conversation, and that’s what blogging is about.  Kivi picked up Peter’s pickup, adding her own comments, which made me happier.

This is CONVERSATION.

So I went onto Peter’s blog, identifying myself clearly, thanking the commenters, agreeing with some of their key points, and explaining the interpretation of my post was not what I was trying to say.  (Sadly, I did this a day late because I’m behind on my day job, so that’s not best practice, but better late than never.)

I also sent Peter an email personally (because I know him) and said thank you for the post—and clarified my point.

Now I’m continuing the conversation here.

That’s social media.  I’m a participant, just like anyone else.  So “all” I can do is to participate.

The good news, while that being “just” a participant can feel powerless, it’s quite powerful.  Honestly and directly and openly being a participant can have a really good outcome.  Beth Kanter recently shared another example of this that I experienced.  It’s a good read.  Actually, everything Beth writes is good.  So read her blog regularly if you don’t already.

The moral of the story?  Participate, in the good and the bad, openly.  It’s powerful stuff.  If you listen, you learn.  Those folks have much to teach you, and much to share.  And while it feels dangerous at times, it’s more dangerous not to participate.  As Dave says:

“On the social web, your absence is conspicuous.  Failing to participate retards the advancement of trust.  In fact, it can increase the likelihood of mistrust.”

 

 

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    I agree with the premise that you cede control by participating in the online conversations.  The truth is that the conversations are happening online whether you are a part of them or not.  The choice is to engage and make your voice heard or be left out.

    Posted by FM Days  on  01/30  at  08:09 PM

    Ew, that’s tough when one point gets taken out of context.  Something a little edgy usually generates more conversation than something safe.

    I’m glad the conversation can go on.  Even over many blogs!

    Sandy Rees
    http://www.sandyrees.com

    Posted by Sandy Rees  on  01/30  at  10:54 PM

    I really like the example you’ve shown here (your own experience) and the way in which you began your response to Peter’s post by **clearly identifying yourself.**

    Recognizing the whole issue of control (or more accurately, the lack thereof as I have framed it in my book) is the key to understanding how to effectively participate on the Social Web. It would have been easy, for example to try and “bury” the comments you disagreed with (a very popular method for dealing with comments counter to one’s own business objectives) or to anonymously try and redirect the conversation. To your credit, this is not what you did.

    Instead, you identified yourself and then participated, adding further value to the entire conversation. This is exactly how the Social Web is supposed to work, and you’ve provided a great example of why this is so important to understand by sharing your own case.

    Dave Evans,
    Author, “Social Media Marketing: An Hour a Day”

    Posted by Dave Evans  on  01/31  at  10:49 AM

    Your post is very helpful to a new blogger like me. I’ve given presentations over the years, but it’s not the same as putting your opinions and ideas out into the vast blogosphere, where skeptics abound (rightly so) and comments can be interpreted many different ways based on people’s assumptions. I thought I was a clear writer, but this medium is teaching me that isn’t enough. You have to open up and be willing to engage, and—just like you did—listen carefully and re-explain your point in new ways. In the end, I’m sure I’ll learn a lot from these interactions, and my practice will be enriched. But it was a relief to read that even experts like you and Beth encounter these situations. Thanks for the post!

    Posted by Gayle Thorsen  on  01/31  at  02:04 PM

    I am tip-toeing into this social media thing myself and your comments and hurtful experience are one of the things I am very concerned about.  In your case, this was even one of your colleagues.  I am worried how a competitor (or even and ex-wife) could nullify days, months, or years of goodwill and relationships with a stroke of a keyboard.

    It would seem that if Peter was really serving his readers, he would have read your book, Robin Hood Marketing, and would have known your heart-felt intentions with the comments.  Seems that Peter is not only not informed, but is also “mis-informing.”

    Posted by David Moore  on  02/01  at  01:24 PM

    I’m thrilled to have had Dave Evans posting here - clearly walking the talk of listening and engagement.  What a class act in the world of social media!

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  02/01  at  10:14 PM

    I agree with David Moore. I also am inching into the social media area of the web and it does seem out of control and at times more personal then business.  My fear is the vulnerablity for anyone to use to make a minor point on their behalf that has a major setback on mine. Your case in point.

    I understand Dave Evans point to ride the flow but I have learned there are some people involved that I don’t want to be around to get caught up in their rants to improve their rankings.

    Interesting post on a volatile area.

    Posted by Scott Rooks  on  02/03  at  06:26 AM

    Wow, I’m impressed that Dave Evans posted here.  I have his book sitting here on my desk but haven’t started it yet. 

    Participate is important, but participate with a purpose.  I love the airforce assessment of how and when to participate.

    Posted by Beth Kanter  on  02/06  at  06:44 PM

    This is a great conversation, as it gets to the “road block” for many when it comes to participating on the Social Web effectively. In a word, it’s “control.” On the Social Web, control exists only in the context of me controlling my own behavior: I have no such control over any one else. This is tough for marketers in particular, as control over a message (and therefore what most people were hearing) is so fundamental.

    Moving into social media, the emphasis necessarily shifts to Operations, where the customer’s experience is created. This is the control point for customer’s conversations: In the same way that my behavior governs what people say about me on the Social Web, the product or service experience governs what your customers express about you through social media. Change the experience, and you change the conversation.

    For those currently reading my book (Thank You!) this is the focus of Part II, where I cover the social feedback cycle, its connection to the purchase funnel, and useful techniques like Touchpoint Analysis for getting a handle on the experience being delivered to your customers.

    I’ll be talking more about this—and referencing this conversation—in my ClickZ on February 18th.

    Posted by Dave Evans  on  02/07  at  11:44 AM

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